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« on: December 22, 2011, 01:13:28 PM »

Turned on my SEX today, which I use every day without problems and I got a high pitched screeching that sounded like a teapot that was really, really ready. Turning the volume down did nothing. Power off did.

I unplugged the speakers and turned it on and I can hear a slight sound coming from the amp, like the screeching only much quieter.

I'll be testing resistance and voltage now. What could this be?
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 01:42:00 PM »

Sam, could be a microphonic tube or maybe just a dirty pin/contact -- just try resetting the tubes in the sockeets a couple of times as a first pass.   Did you bring any new cell phones, or other electrical goodies -- wireless networking, etc. into your listening room lately?

Also, dod you have any shorting plugs -- just to make sure it's not coming from the source?

Sorry can't be more help,

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 02:49:12 PM »

am I the only one snorting my coffee when reading the subject lines of some of these threads


I mean, usually the above costs extra
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 05:00:00 PM »

OK, guys. It's not the tubes. Switched them out and used de-oxit on pins.

Resistance readings were funny at 39 and B4, so  resoldered and they're fine now. Yeah. But, instead of screeching I get white noise/whooshing in the left channel. Right channel is fine.

Voltage readings are funny now: B5 is 99.3 and B6 is 3.186. These are too high. Shawn troubleshooted this with me on the phone and we couldn't come up with anything. I'm glad it's no longer screeching, but the sound in the left channel is horrible.

Help?

What could be causing this?
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 05:17:29 PM »

Sam,  Sorry, other than what I suggested, I don't have any more to offer right now.

Chris, and yes, I almost said something like I had a girlfriend like that once... but as you can see, I was being cautious.  The operative word here being "was" :-).

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 06:16:04 PM »

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Voltage readings are funny now: B5 is 99.3 and B6 is 3.186. These are too high. Shawn troubleshooted this with me on the phone and we couldn't come up with anything. I'm glad it's no longer screeching, but the sound in the left channel is horrible.

Help?

What could be causing this?
B6 too high (the cathode; should be 2.5v) indicates too much current through the driver section. B5 too high (the plate; should be 70v) indicates not enough current through the driver section. No wonder you and Shawn had a hard time!

Make sure the grid stopper Rstop, (B4 to T39) is 220 ohms - it is somewhat fragile so look for any damage.

If it failed or had a bad connection as you suggested, that might have led to some damage to the cathode and/or plate resistors So ... check those two resistors. Cathode resistor Rkdriver (B6 to T37 ground) should be 1270 ohms, and RL should be 150K (B5 to T36? B+driver). Better check the resistor from T31 to T36 as well.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 07:30:49 PM »

These test out ok, Paul. Except between B5 and 36, which I think is altered with the C4S.

So what else could be causing this?  Note that the white noise does not drown out music, and does not change in volume when the volume pot is turned.
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 09:59:23 PM »

Oh - didn't know you had the C4S. I assume this is the first stereo SEX version? Sorry for the confusion, we really do need to get clear on the version identifications!

The voltages seem to indicate the C4S is providing a bit too much current. First check is of course whether the LEDs glow properly on both boards. You could swap the C4S feed (just the wires that go to B5 and A5, if they are long enough) and see if the noise moves to the other channel - if it does then it's definitely the C4S board. The bad grid connections could conceivably have resulted in some damage to the MJE350 - but I would just get a whole new board rather than try to figure out which parts are bad.

If swapping the C4S outputs does not swap the noise, then it's somewhere else. Does the volume control have any effect on the noise?
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 06:45:05 AM »

Yes, when I switch the C4S boards the sound switches channels. I'm removing the C4S for now and putting the old resistors in until I can get replacement parts from Bottlehead.

Thanks, Paul!
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 07:38:50 AM »

C4S boards removed and old resistors in place. Works fine!

I think the screeching may have come from an improperly soldered cap at 34 (to the tube socket). This must have then damaged the C4S board...?

Anyway, thanks for your help everyone.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 01:01:19 PM »

So would BH be willing to send me replacement parts? I left a message at BH HQ. If yes, that would be great. Just let me know if I need to pay for these...
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